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Virgin girl breaking hymen with her finger. But that doesn't matter to this discussion. We all agree that topless DJing is a fringe phenomenon, but you seem to think that regardless of that fact, this picture does not violate the undue weight policy.

Now what's wrong with that picture? In the mean time I agree with Siobahn Hansa that this article should be locked until a consensus is reached.

I'm glad we're getting somewhere Binksternet. It seems this picture doesn't have a perfect home indeed. If someone could make an article about Sedu's nightclub or wherever else it came from , then we might get somewhere.

Also as to the removal of the picture from strip club , you are welcome to do so, but make sure to keep an eye on the article so you can know if an editor objects to it's removal.

Sound like a plan? I wholly agree with you JIP. As for Binksternet, I don't care about about the number of edits you've made or the number of pages on your watchlist.

It's the editor behind those edits that counts. When talking to JIP, you start coming closer to a consensus. But when I'm around, you assume bad faith and start getting hostile.

I think that once this issue is resolved you should go on a wikibreak. I admit I may have had a knee-jerk reaction at the start, but I haven't been here for very long and so such can only be expected.

I bet you were sometimes like that when you started editing Wikipedia. So stop bragging about your edit counts and start coming up with an acceptable compromise.

Don't keep this picture on here just because you think it was once removed because of nudity. Especially if the picture is more or less irrelevant to the article.

Edit wars and talk page arguements benifit no one and eat up time that could be better spent elsewhere. Constructive edits make Wikipedia a more accurate and reliable resource for everyone.

A few things Binksternet: One, my first templates and my most recent are all pre-existing templates that were copied and then modestly modified. My essays were not done with full knowlege of policy, and some may even be redundent or off-policy.

I don't remember most of the templates, I have a favorite page for that. I work on a shared computer and my brother has been working on Wikipedia for a lot longer than me.

So don't say I deserve being wacked with trout instead of minnows. Usercheck can't see the actual person on the other end. And as for your editing of my essay, in addition to the spelling changes you also changed the general tone of the essay.

I agree with the spelling and have corrected it. However, an essay is not an article , and therefore does not need to be in an encyclopedic tone, as you made it.

So in my opinion your edits were almost akin to vandalism. Topless DJing is a fringe phenomenon and your picture only takes up space that could be better used for a much needed picture of a radio jockey.

Tensions are heating up here so I suggest we table stop talking about this issue and take a recess from it for the weekend. During this recess no one should change the picture or make a posting on the talk page here unless it's on a different issue.

We should reopen this discussion on Monday September the 29, Hopefully by then we'll all have a clear head and some fresh thoughts.

Sounds good? Well, whoever's picture it is I've said I don't see it's necseeity. It's been gone for days now, what happened to it?

Nor have I heard from binksternet. In the mean time look at my wikibreak suggestion above and tell me if you agree. Binksternet, All I did was suggest we put this issue away for the weekend so we can all cool down about this.

Do you agree? Tabling means the exact opposite in Britan -- Then just say you don't agree. From what I see about your contributions, you haven't had a period of inactivity for a long time.

Mabye you might want to take a vacation to the Caribbean to relax a little :. Anyways, if we can't agree on a consensus by the end of this week, I think I will have to ask the Mediation Committe to help us here as this has gone on long enough.

Anyways, your picture is helpful on illustrating radio DJs, but don't add content just to make a point. Yes, there will be no controversy, but only because people on above discussions have also asked for that picture.

Moving right along, the issue has come to the point where we aren't arguing per-say, but we haven't declared a consensus either. I would like us all to fully formulate and declare our opinions so we can have a real dicussion again.

My opininion currently is:. The article should be kept as-is at the time of this writing, with the topless female DJ picture ommitted and the "topless" male radio DJ kept.

My opinion is: The picture of the shirtless male DJ should be kept. The textual mention of topless female DJs, and the references, should be brought back.

If the picture of a topless female DJ is brought back, it's all the better, but we can live without it. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Topless DJs This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

Conversation conclusion. The picture of a topless female DJ is to be removed and it's caption with citations will be put in the article.

Main arguments: The picture of a topless female DJ should be removed due to irrelevence. Resolved: October 4. The following discussion is out of chronological order.

Participation is welcome by anyone wishing to comment. This box is simply for organization. On undue: If the Mackie SRM speakers photo were simply of the speakers and they weren't a common or significant brand it would be inappropriate for the article too.

But people aren't objecting to that photo on the basis of the speakers for the same reason that the speaker brand wasn't mentioned in the photo caption - the speakers aren't what draws attention to the photo or what gives it meaning on the page.

As to the equipment photos - these are significant brands. There could be a discussion about whether they are the best brands to illustrate - a photo of different brands might be worth considering - but there's nothing about showing these or the other brands you mention that give readers a false impression of regular DJing.

She was topless as - apparently - a gimmick to try and bring people to the club for something that had nothing to do with her DJing.

If that is a significant part of DJing then it might be worthy of mention. But as yet it seems there are no sources that show it is more than a very limited gimmick.

So the photo of her on this page is as much a gimmick as the club was using and hence not appropriate. Namespaces Article Talk.

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Otherwise please keep the picture off until the debate is resolved. Well, I'll give you that about consensus before removal. Due to the Silence is Consensus Policy , in the mean time I will continue to remove the picture in order to indicate my lack of agreement.

I will post on the requested pages list an article for topless DJs, which I hope you or someone else will create. There we can post the picture in all it's chuckle glory LOL.

Then a line about topless DJs will be placed on this article, with a link to the new one. I ask for this for the purpose of compromise and therefore consensus as well as if this is such a phenomenon, someone can go into it more deeply.

In addition, despite the no censor policy, we shouldn't take advatage of that if the pictue does not sufficently enhance the article, as I belive is true.

So if this is just an excuse by Testosterone -headed men no offense to anyone in particular, by thy way I am not a women here to put porn on a page, then by all means it should be removed.

A lot has happened so far. I think we need to do a bit of research on this issue. Someone should put a post here with a reliable citation to prove to us all the signifigance of this phenomenon.

So far the reaserch I have done indicates that the only real topless female DJs are at strip clubs. Unless someone can prove otherwise, chances are this is not a real phenomenon after all.

As JIP stated, if the controversy is with the picture and not the topic, mabye we should just put this issue to rest by replacing the picture with a half-paragraph about the subject.

Besides, that would explain the story in much more detail than a seven-word caption could. This issue is beginning to verge on an edit war. We also need to get to a consensus so this discussion can be archived before it takes up more space than all the debates before it.

I simply cannot believe one single picture has caused almost 20 kilobytes' worth of discussion I agree wth uou about the 30 Kilobytes JIP.

As for Binksternet, I didn't say strip club DJs aren't real DJs, what I said is that the only DJs that are actually topless, and not just scantily clad, is in strip clubs, with a few exceptions like Sedu's.

The idea is beliveable, entertainment has often gone to the edges of acceptability, I just can't find any examples of such. So please don't cling endlessly to one conviction or this debate will never end, just like the arguement about the Sea of Japan.

Binksternet, you have repeatedly misunderstood my words. I meant that I can imagine more topless DJs, but I haven't found many examples of such.

I see this picture as an example that these DJs exist, but how many non-strip club topless DJs are there really? The issue is no longer the fact this is an explicit picture, but it dosen't serve our readers to call something a "phenomenon" yes, I know that word isn't used in the caption when it's seen in only a few places.

I have to disagree with you Binksternet on that one. If there is only one or two topless DJs in the whole world outside of strip clubs, than the picture and anything else that goes with it more belongs in the article about Strip Clubs or the nightclub she performed at, which I think I will do.

Tell me If you agree with that, and I can't stress this enough, PLEASE don't stubbornly hold on to the idea that this picture should stay on here or this argument will never end, like the arguement about the Gender of God.

Siobahn Hansa, haven't seen you in a while. I agree with you about undue weight here and that's what I've been saying all along.

Thank you for showing a policy on that. I think Binksternet is trying to take advantage of the consensus-first policy to force his opinion, which is violation of Wikipedia policy, on those to follow the undue weight policy correctly.

I think his rollback privleges should be revoked. AND the picture should come off and stay off. The same picture is also used in the strip club article to illustrate the idea that topless female DJs are also found in strip clubs.

Now, I have to make a comment about this. If the picture is deleted from here but kept in the strip club article, I feel at some level that it gives the wrong impression, because it was taken in a normal nightclub, not at a strip club.

I don't know if topless female DJs really are common in strip clubs, as I have only ever visited a strip club once in my life, and the only topless women there were the actual strippers.

I was not aware of the picture's origin when I placed it there. In my opinion any objections about it being on the strip club article should be discussed on it's talk page.

If that's what's keeping the image here I will remove it from there. Speaking of the IP issue, I once removed the picture when not logged in.

So I fully admit to that and you are welcome to tag my IP as a sock puppet if you consider that nesccecary. As for Binksternet, your statement about the company name is irrelevant because it's off-topic.

I personally think unless your talking specificly about a company or brand an image should have company and brand names blurred. But that doesn't matter to this discussion.

We all agree that topless DJing is a fringe phenomenon, but you seem to think that regardless of that fact, this picture does not violate the undue weight policy.

Now what's wrong with that picture? In the mean time I agree with Siobahn Hansa that this article should be locked until a consensus is reached.

I'm glad we're getting somewhere Binksternet. It seems this picture doesn't have a perfect home indeed. If someone could make an article about Sedu's nightclub or wherever else it came from , then we might get somewhere.

Also as to the removal of the picture from strip club , you are welcome to do so, but make sure to keep an eye on the article so you can know if an editor objects to it's removal.

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